DL Disputable: Andreason defeats Red Sox and sewb

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Debate League Disputable

sewb vs. Red Sox vs. Andreason


Topic: Which WWE Superstar should be the next one to be released?

Winner gets a shot at the Legends Championship next Disputable.

This Starts: Now
This Ends: November 7th, 2009

sewb:
Red Sox:
Andreason:

[Andreason33]

I got Carlito

[Red Sox]

I'll take Primo.

[Andreason33]

"I spit in the face of people who don't want to be cool."

From 2004 to about 2007 those words would bring everyone in a WWE arena to their feet, to boo or cheer Carlito.

Fast forward to today, and when the WWE Universe hears those words(which is very rarely), you could hear a pin drop.

There is no doubting that Carlito has heaps of talent. He can produce in the ring, and on the mic. He has a unique look and a unique character. He can be super over as a face, and as a heel. He certainly has the complete package.

Carlito is being completely underused. The fans know it, the WWE knows it and Carlito knows it. He even demanded his release from the company, not once, but twice. The only things that made him stay were: 1) His brother and 2) The promise of a push.

Now that number 1 has fallen through, and The Colons have broken up, that is no longer keeping him there. Primo hasn't really shown his potential yet, but he has a secure enough job, even wrestling the WWE Champion Randy Orton on an episode of Superstars.

And it also appears that number 2 is definately not coming. The last time Carlito was on Raw was whenMaywether was the guest host. That was back on August 24, and he didn't even have a match. He was only knocked out my VKM.

Carlito has a load of talent, but obviously doesn't have a future in the WWE. He should be the next to be released, so that he can move on to better things, like a tenure in TNA. Carlito would fit perfectly in the TNA roster, and has enough of a name value to be a bigger draw.

[sewb]

I have the on the only Curt Hawkins (hears a person in the background shout out WHO?) Exactly. Curt Hawkins unlike The Colons, has not had any time to wrestle on television for the past few months. It is obvious to anyone with half a brain that if someone is sitting on the roster doing nothing he should be the first to be released.
The Miz and Morrison were having this arguement, one man in the tag team would go on and acheive, and one would get totally lost. Ryder is at least on ECW receiving a push, but what is Hawkins doing? Nothing. He is the "Marty Jannetty". Sure he has gone down to FCW, but then why is he still on the main roster if he isn't going to do anything? Even on FCW, he isn't the greatest wrestler, as obviously seen since McIntyre and Escobar have all been elavated before him. He should be released now instead of wasting away and doing nothing.
As the Major Brothers, and the Edge-Heads, both Ryder and Hawkins made an impact. They showed talent (in the Major Brothers especially) he showed a fair amount of talent. He showed he could be exciting and he was teamed up with the biggest heel in the business. And now where is he? Non-existant. Let's see what he has to show for almost three years in the WWE.

Thanks to WWE.com for this segment

Curt Hawkins, hailing from Long Island, N.Y., first gained prominence by hitching his wagon, along with partner Zack Ryder, to a major star: The Rated-R Superstar, Edge.

After helping The Ultimate Opportunist regain the World Heavyweight Championship at Armageddon, Hawkins was firmly entrenched in The Rated-R Camp.

Hawkins & Ryder soon began a respectable run as the WWE Tag Team Champions, after winning the titles at The Great American Bash. Now, Hawkins is flying solo on SmackDown, looking to make a major singles impact on the Friday night brand.

WOW THAT'S INCREDIBLE, ABOUT 6 SENTENCES WORTH OF WRITING.


For both the benefit of Hawkins (being allowed to go somewhere like ROH or possibly even TNA) and WWE (not having to pay his contract, he should be let go.

Originally Posted by Andreason33

"I spit in the face of people who don't want to be cool."

From 2004 to about 2007 those words would bring everyone in a WWE arena to their feet, to boo or cheer Carlito.

Fast forward to today, and when the WWE Universe hears those words(which is very rarely), you could hear a pin drop.

Yes, we can hear a pin drop. But how often do you hear those words in comparison to how often you see Hawkins. People went crazy over Carlito and he was successful. His popularity begun to falter and WWE didn't push him. Hawkins never even had that chance, his furthest thing was being Edge's lackey.

Originally Posted by Andreason33

"There is no doubting that Carlito has heaps of talent. He can produce in the ring, and on the mic. He has a unique look and a unique character. He can be super over as a face, and as a heel. He certainly has the complete package.

Great, so your telling us how great he is. He doesn't really need to be released, pushed more rather. Curt Hawkins has some in-ring talent, but that is all he really has (or at least is known). WWE don't need him in any way what-so-ever. For WWE's pocket (even though he isn't on that much of a salary anyway) Hawkins should be released. He sheerly has no use. Carlito can be pushed and that is all he really needs.

Originally Posted by Andreason33

"Carlito is being completely underused. The fans know it, the WWE knows it and Carlito knows it. He even demanded his release from the company, not once, but twice. The only things that made him stay were: 1) His brother and 2) The promise of a push.

Well if he knows he is that underused he can walk away. He can't think that he is that bad off, especially if he is expecting a push.

Originally Posted by Andreason33

"Now that number 1 has fallen through, and The Colons have broken up, that is no longer keeping him there. Primo hasn't really shown his potential yet, but he has a secure enough job, even wrestling the WWE Champion Randy Orton on an episode of Superstars.

This is actually something to point out, Primo shouldn't be released because he has definately got a job and is far enough up the card to fight Orton and look at least half decent.

Originally Posted by Andreason33

"And it also appears that number 2 is definately not coming. The last time Carlito was on Raw was whenMaywether was the guest host. That was back on August 24, and he didn't even have a match. He was only knocked out my VKM.

Oh can I ask you something? When was Hawkins' last time on Smackdown or any top flight WWE programme?

Originally Posted by Andreason33

"Carlito has a load of talent, but obviously doesn't have a future in the WWE. He should be the next to be released, so that he can move on to better things, like a tenure in TNA. Carlito would fit perfectly in the TNA roster, and has enough of a name value to be a bigger draw.

TNA has enough superstars as is. Kaz will soon drop the Suicide thing and Burke has just come into the company. So on TNA we have Kaz, Daniels, Joe, Styles, Hernandez, Eric Young, Burke and Beer Money, all basically just as young and just as talented as Carlito. He might have name value, but he probably wouldn't get picked up for quite some time, with Kennedy and Umaga (both having higher name value) floating around and a recent signing of Hulk Hogan.

From a business perspective though keeping Carlito on board would be much more beneficial then having Hawkins. With Carlito the arguement can be made that WWE might still push him. He can walk away whenever he pleases really, he is staying in belief of a push. If he wants to stay there and WWE wants him to stay there he should stay. I mean at least we know he wants to stay unlike Hawkins. Primo is in basically Carlito's position. Honestly I know very little about Hawkins (character or reality) because he has never had T.V. time to himself.

[Andreason33]

Originally Posted by sewb

I have the on the only Curt Hawkins (hears a person in the background shout out WHO?) Exactly. Curt Hawkins unlike The Colons, has not had any time to wrestle on television for the past few months. It is obvious to anyone with half a brain that if someone is sitting on the roster doing nothing he should be the first to be released.
The Miz and Morrison were having this arguement, one man in the tag team would go on and acheive, and one would get totally lost. Ryder is at least on ECW receiving a push, but what is Hawkins doing? Nothing. He is the "Marty Jannetty". Sure he has gone down to FCW, but then why is he still on the main roster if he isn't going to do anything? Even on FCW, he isn't the greatest wrestler, as obviously seen since McIntyre and Escobar have all been elavated before him. He should be released now instead of wasting away and doing nothing.

Hawkins is currently being "repackaged" down in FCW. Young guys do it all the time, it is part of the circle of life in the WWE. A young guy gets called up, he doesn't stick, gets sent back down to developemental, gets repackaged and then is sent back up.

Just to name a few who have gone through this cycle: Dolph Ziggler, Drew McIntyre, Vladimir Koslov, Kenny Dykstra, Johnny Jeter, Paul Burchill and Kevin Thron. Even Carlito when through the whole "repackaging" phase.

Sometimes it works and the superstar succeeds, but sometimes it doesn't work and the superstar fails. Curt Hawkins should not be released yet because he hasn't been given the chance to shine. Give him some time in developement, and if he still fails after that, then he will be released.

For both the benefit of Hawkins (being allowed to go somewhere like ROH or possibly even TNA) and WWE (not having to pay his contract, he should be let go... TNA has enough superstars as is. Kaz will soon drop the Suicide thing and Burke has just come into the company. So on TNA we have Kaz, Daniels, Joe, Styles, Hernandez, Eric Young, Burke and Beer Money, all basically just as young and just as talented as Carlito. He might have name value, but he probably wouldn't get picked up for quite some time, with Kennedy and Umaga (both having higher name value) floating around and a recent signing of Hulk Hogan.

This really made me laugh. Hawkins can get hired by TNA right away, but Carlito can't? It's not like all the TNA superstars disappear when Hawkins becomes avaliable. If anything, Carlito would get hired in a heartbeat, much quicker than Umaga or Kennedy. Remember when Carlito requested his release? One reason WWE tried so hard to get Carlito to stay was because Carlito was already in talks with TNA. Carlito has more name value than Umaga and Kenney, and is way more talented.

Yes, we can hear a pin drop. But how often do you hear those words in comparison to how often you see Hawkins. People went crazy over Carlito and he was successful. His popularity begun to falter and WWE didn't push him. Hawkins never even had that chance, his furthest thing was being Edge's lackey.

Again, Hawkins is in development right now. Carlito showed his immense popularity, yet WWE still neglects him, that is why he should be released next.

Carlito can be pushed and that is all he really needs.

That's the thing though, he won't be pushed. WWE have had numerous chances to push Carlito but they haven't. When they had the Colons split, people thought that was the start of his push. But instead Primo came out on top and Carlito shrunk back down to irrelevance. Management obviously has something against him, and he needs a change of scenery. He needs to go to TNA.

This is actually something to point out, Primo shouldn't be released because he has definately got a job and is far enough up the card to fight Orton and look at least half decent.

Primo isn't that well off in WWE right now. He barely get television time either. But Carlito is much worse off than Primo. The main reason Carlito isn't leaving right now is Primo. Carlito knows that is he leaves, Primo is gonna get let go aswell.

Oh can I ask you something? When was Hawkins' last time on Smackdown or any top flight WWE programme?

Again, he is in FCW awaiting the repackaging process.

I mean at least we know he wants to stay unlike Hawkins.

Really, Carlito wants to stay? He is obviously fed up with management. He was mad back in 2007/2008 when he was being sparingly used, now that he is not being used he must be furious. The only reason he doesn't leave is Primo.

And Hawkins is mad and wants to be let go? I highly doubt this. He is still very young and still has a future with the WWE. He will get called back up when the time is right, just like so many others have before him.

I also just wanted to point out how poor your argument is.

They showed talent (in the Major Brothers especially) he showed a fair amount of talent.

Sure he has gone down to FCW, but then why is he still on the main roster if he isn't going to do anything? Even on FCW, he isn't the greatest wrestler

Those two statements contradict each other.

As the Major Brothers, and the Edge-Heads, both Ryder and Hawkins made an impact.

Hawkins never even had that chance

So Hawkins made an impact without even having a chance?

It is painfully obvious that you only looked through the roster and picked the guy that hasn't been seen lately. You have no argument other than, "Well he hasn't been on T.V. lately...", even though he is in FCW.

Carlito, on the other hand, hasn't been on T.V. lately, requested his release while he was in a better position, obviously isn't getting the push he was promised, has shown how successful he can be and is on management's bad side.

Carlito needs to be released, not only for himself, but for TNA and wrestling fans alike.

[sewb]

Due to some issues with a close mate of mine (family tragedy) I will not be able to finish the debate. If I have to take the loss then so be it but I thought you should know I am not just abandoning the debate

[Andreason33]

I just wanted to bring in the opinions of some other members on this site:

Originally Posted by TheMainEvent

But as for right now, either WWE better find something Carlito to do instead of nothing and with that lame excuse, or we hope Carlito walks amd goes somewhere better, like WWC or TNA. I can imagine many things for Carlito to do right now with many superstars.

Originally Posted by DemonicAngel

I'll be fine if they either start pushing him, which I doubt they will, or if they release him and allow him to go work elsewhere in 90 days. But holding on to him and yet not using him is horrible.

Originally Posted by The MVP

I would hate to see him go (unless maybe if he went to TNA after leaving).

Originally Posted by Sybaku

I was never a big fan however he does have some potential so I'd like to see him in TNA.

There is no reason Carlito should stay employed on the WWE roster if they have no interest in him and he has no interest in them.

Primo is pretty much just a weaker copy of Carlito. He is beig used to keep Carlito happier, but if Carlito leaves, Primo will get let go aswell. But if WWE releases Primo they are asking Carlito to walk away, that's why it makes no sense for Primo to get released first.

[Joker!]

Andreason wins and gets a shot at the Legends championship next Disputable.